Talk:Alpena Light

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Name of this light

Before we go any further with this article, is this the right name? True, it is (perhaps) 'the symbol of Alpena.' But there are otehr Alpena lights, and the sources are split on the name. A number of them refer to this as the "Alpena breakwater light." This is on the north breakwater and there is one on the south. Maybe we should do one called "Alpena breakwater lights"? I've not yet done a survey of the sources listed in the article. Maybe it's time to change the name (although if we do so, it would have to include the NavBox). What do you think? 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:05, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

1914 light discrepancy

According to Terry Pepper, the 1914 light was "Erected atop a new concrete pier, the structure consisted of a four-legged pyramid skeleton tower surmounted by a circular watch room". So we seem to have yet another discrepancy. Asher196 (talk) 13:41, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, we do have the picture of the 1914 light atop the crib. Terry Pepper wrote:

In 1914, the old wooden beacon had deteriorated beyond repair, and the decision was made to replace the decrepit structure. The design selected was somewhat similar to that which had been used on the Breakwater at Marquette. Erected atop a new concrete pier, the structure consisted of a four-legged pyramid skeleton tower surmounted by a circular watch room. An octagonal lantern erected atop this watch room was encircled by an iron gallery with a tubular safety railing.

Even he has the picture of the crib, so I think he is referring to the crib as a "concrete pier." 7&6=thirteen (talk) 14:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

My point was that you changed the caption of the 1914 light to say "The rebuilt 1914 light on the original crib base". I took that to mean that the 1914 light was built on the base for the 1877 light, when in fact it wasn't. Asher196 (talk) 02:31, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I misunderstood what you wrote. I change the caption to read "The rebuilt 1914 light on ITS original crib base". Asher196 (talk) 02:33, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We're agreed. Sorry for the failure to communicate. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 08:42, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

Picture at wikimedia commons

This is a nice picture. I don't know if or where it could be worked in. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Alpena_Light_large.jpg 7&6=thirteen (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

Not a "Stub class" anymore

This is no longer a stub, and should at least rate a "Start." 7&6=thirteen (talk) 23:32, 18 August 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

We should get this reassesed, I think. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 08:44, 19 August 2008 (UTC) Stan[reply]

C class

I don't believe this article should be rated as a B-class article. I bumped it down to a C for the time being. It is poorly structured, has grammar issues, and the references are bare links. — ♣№tǒŖïøŭş4lĭfė♫♪ 17:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To begin, the 30 references (links) are fully described. So I don't know what you mean when you say "the references are bare link." Please explain. Even better, make them fit your version of proper form and redo them.

This is a fairly complete article as lighthouse Great Lakes articles go. We could use some more books, to be sure. There were lots of those listed under Further reading, which had the U.S lighthouse resources and the Michigan lighthouse resources; of course, our esteemed editors decided those templates should be deleted. A lot of useful information went into editorial heaven with that decision.

There is a substantial structure, which you have criticized. I have not thought of a better way. If you could suggest a better way, please do so. Even better, you could make the edits.

Finally, your gratuitous condemnation of "grammar issues" is not supported by anything other than your conclusion. If you could suggest a better way, please do so. Even better, you could make the edits to correct them, if indeed they exist.

I won't change your downgrade, as I was substantially involved in writing this article, and there is a conflict. But the editorial process would be aided by your becoming forthcoming with suggestions, and involved with editing of the article, if that's what it needs. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 12:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC) Stan[reply]

Giving the article an independent evaluation, I'd call it a borderline B/C article, so I'm not going to change the assessment. I think the comment about the references is referring to the formatting, but the more significant problem with references is that they consist solely of URL and page title. I suggest using the {{Cite}} template (or one of its variants). To quickly improve the references, you might use the WP:REFLINKS tool. The External links section should probably be trimmed (see WP:EL), and the two photos should probably not be in that section. I also agree that the structure of the article could use improvement. For example, there is one section called "History and description" which seems like it might be better separated into two, and then farther down there's a section called "The light today", which seems like it might belong at the end of the history section. cmadler (talk) 13:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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